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Rally in the Charente-Maritime, France.

Miles Dent 2959
Four or five days cruising during the first week in September 2016 to include La Remontée de la Seudre on Sunday 4th. -  see note on page 4 of DC229.
We already have four boats and crews 'signed up' but the more the merrier - please let me know if you are interested in joining us - dentml@club-internet.fr - 0033546912098.
I will be enlisting help from the local sail and oar group and other sailing organisations here.
I am a relative novice at organising a rally so would welcome advice from anyone who has done it before.......would this be a good place to start a list of 'Things to remember when planning a rally' or a list of 'Do's and Don'ts'.
Miles Dent.
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Roger Barnes 936
Hi Miles. I am interested in this. Do you know the exact dates? - Roger
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Miles Dent 2959

Hello Roger,

I was waiting to see how much interest there was and how long people would be able to stay before fixing exact dates .... but here's a possible plan:

Sat. 3rd Sept.   Fouras Nord to Port Paradis via Fort Boyard - about 34Nm. (P. Paradis is half way up the Seudre estuary -  a friend has a 'cabane' there where we can spend the night).

Sun. 4th.  LA REMONTEE.  P. Paradis to plage de Gatseau (Ile d'Oléron) for lunch then to l'Eguille sur Seudre - about 24 Nm.

Mon. 5th. l'Eguille to Fouras Sud (or l'Ile d'Aix) - about 26Nm.

Tues. 6th. Fouras Sud (or l'Ile d'Aix) to La Flotte (Ile de Ré) - about 20Nm.

Wed. 7th.  La Flotte to Fouras Nord - about 18Nm.

Do you think these distances are too ambitious ?

This plan would mean people travelling from the UK on or before Fri. 2nd. and back on or after Thurs. 8th.   On Friday 2nd. and Wednesday 7th. people can stay at my place - we will have some spare beds and plenty of space for camping.

If we get a few more signed up I can  offer some alternative plans for people to discuss. Another possibility, for instance, would be to start from St.Savinien and go all the way down the Charente estuary through Rochefort to Fouras Sud - about 28Nm. - this would allow us to leave all the trailers and cars at my place.

Let me know what you think,

Miles.

 




 



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Hi Miles. I am interested in this. Do you know the exact dates? - Roger
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I think those distances are quite ambitious, although it is hard for me to say since I dont know the area.  I am sure that with reasonable weather a determined crew with a single boat could achieve such distances, or indeed greater distances (just think what Philip Kirk and Jeremy Warren did with their wayfarer the other year!)  but I think it is harder to cover the ground when you have a fleet of boats of disparate performance, seaworthiness and reliability.

The weather at the time is all important - fine to have a fairly ambitious plan to suit good weather but I think you also need backup plans to cater for less than ideal conditions. You have to accept that there is a risk, albeit quite a small risk, that a spell of bad weather could prevent the fleet from sailing on the open sea during any part of the week.

At the SduG event the distances covered by the small boat fleets on some days are at least as much as you have in mind but that event takes advantage of the strong tidal flows in the Morbihan. I dont know to what extent the tide can be beneficial in your area. I think it is remarkable that the plans for SduG do work out so well, presumably down to careful planing by experienced people with local knowledge. Even so, one windy day at SduG in 2015 meant that routes had to be re-arranged at short notice and distances shortened, the first time this has happened during our experience of SduG.

An example of a really successful cruise in company was that organised by Alban G. in the Quiberon area in 2014.  This was a three day cruise with a fleet of nine sail and oar boats plus one RIB - I have an account of the event at the link below, Roger Barnes also wrote an account of the event for Watercraft magazine.   http://www.hostellerssailingclub.org.uk/index.php/articles/sailing-festivals/127-la-ronde-des-iles-2014-a-cruise-in-company-from-quiberon

The weather for the Quiberon event was close to ideal, if anything it was actually too calm, although that is so much better than too windy.  I think the distances covered each day during that cruise were about 10 to 12 miles and even with the near ideal weather that distance was quite sufficient to fill the days, given that people wanted to meet in a restaurant each evening and they needed time to get tents up and down, go shopping, rig and unrig boats etc.  Just as an example of the kind of thing that can cause delays, on the final day one of the boats had its centreboard jammed solid with small stones that could not be easily cleared. We needed to sail to windward that day so departure was delayed while the crew of that boat tried to free the centreboard and everyone else gathered round making suggestions. In the end the RIB took the crippled boat in tow and a nice breeze came in the afternoon so everyone got back in good time.  I just give this as an example of the kind of thing that may hold up a fleet of small boats, although the weather is always the most likely reason that plans have to be amended.

Do you know Alban G., if not I could find you his contact details - he may have some thoughts on this and also I wonder if some of the people he invited to come on the Quiberon cruise might also like to join your event.

Are you assuming that all the crews will have arrangements for sleeping on board their boats?  If so this should be stated since many DCA members (probably most DCA members) do not have such arrangements. For the Quiberon cruise none of the boats other than ours and Rogers had boat tents and this meant that most people put up tents in small camp sites at each stopping point. This was possible in that area but even in France it may be difficult to find camp sites close to the waterside in places where boats can be left overnight - in the UK it is well nigh impossible. I would say that if you can arrange the trip such that on shore camping is possible each night that would actually be very nice - it makes for a sociable event and easier to get everyone together to discuss plans.

Josephine and myself are looking forward to joining you on this cruise with our 15 foot home made sailing dinghy and Gerald from HSC is hoping to get leave to come as well - he has a Drascombe Dabber. In the HSC we are rather dependent on Mark S. for planing this kind of event - he is good at that, but I don't know if he is interested in crewing with Gerald, if not I think Gerald might appreciate a crew.    
   
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Gerald Turner 2924
Indeed John & Miles,

Whilst I do have leave for the rally,there are for me variables as if I can go.
I can camp aboard, but I would prefer shoreside camping, also I have limited experience of  sailing in  foreign  waters without crew,I have faith in my boat, but lack experience in expeditions like this, but unless I do go I won't gain that.

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Miles Dent 2959

Hi Gerald,

I will make sure that there will be places to camp - it won't be a problem.

There is a DCA member who has expressed an interest in the rally but who is boatless at the moment. He lives in England but knows this area of France. If he is agreeable I could give you his contact détails .....possible crew ?

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Indeed John & Miles,

Whilst I do have leave for the rally,there are for me variables as if I can go.
I can camp aboard, but I would prefer shoreside camping, also I have limited experience of  sailing in  foreign  waters without crew,I have faith in my boat, but lack experience in expeditions like this, but unless I do go I won't gain that.

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Miles Dent 2959
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Thanks for that John - really helpful.  

I agree that the distances are quite optimistic but these are all trips that I have made before - several times - but I do admit to using the motor occasionally ! (Sorry).   I think we could achieve them if the weather is favourable.  It would be easy to reduce the distances on the first two days from 34 to 27 miles and from 24 to about 18.  The tides can certainly help - it's not a good idea to go up or down the Seudre against the flow for instance - especially during the first 2 days when we have some big spring tides (coeff. 92 Sat. am down to 57 by Wed.pm).  I will try to have some back-up plans for less than favourable weather.  I remember the windy day at Morbihan last year - we (3bis) were confined to port in Vannes - our 'responsable' organised a wine-tasting competition which was held in the town bandstand !  I can't promise anything on that scale !  At Morbihan our average daily distance was about 17 miles tho' we did do 25 one day.

One problem here is that most of the ports and creeks dry about 2hrs. after HW - so you have to be afloat 8/9hrs. each day unless you dry out on a beach for lunch - but that 8hrs. does give you a chance to cover a good distance.  We will have HW am and pm (6.30 Sat, 7.00 Sun, 7.30 Mon, 8.00 Tues, 8.30 Wed - approximately).

I will contact Alban G. but feel that I should first consult Jean-Marc at the PNCM (organisers of La Remontée) and Pierre Gasté at the VAP (Voile et Aviron dans les Pertuis - sail and oar group in La Rochelle).  I decided not to do this until I had an idea of how much interest there would be from DCA members - so far we have six boats and crews who have expressed an interest (including myself and a friend here) - so only four from the UK.

I will make sure that there is on shore camping available at each stop - but can't promise proper campsites.  Most small ports do have toilets and washrooms however.

It would be great to have a RIB or other safety boat - this may be possible if the group is big enough and some local boats join in with us.

I think I have found a crew for Gerald.

TO ANYONE THINKING OF JOINING US - please let me know SOONER rather than later so that I can start to make all the necessary arrangements.

Miles;








 



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I think those distances are quite ambitious, although it is hard for me to say with certainty since I dont know the area.  I am sure that with reasonable weather a determined crew with a single boat could achieve those distances, or indeed much greater distances (just think what Philip Kirk and Jeremy Warren did with their wayfarer the other year!)  but I think it is harder to cover the ground when you have a fleet of boats of disparate performance, seaworthiness and reliability.

The weather at the time is all important - fine to have a fairly ambitious plan to suit good weather but I think you also need backup plans to cater for less than ideal conditions. You have to accept that there is a risk, albeit quite a small risk, that a spell of bad weather could prevent the fleet from sailing on the open sea during any part of the week.

At the SduG event the distances covered by the small boat fleets on some days are at least as much as you have in mind but that event takes advantage of the strong tidal flows in the Morbihan. I dont know to what extent the tide can be beneficial in your area. I think it is remarkable that the plans for SduG do work out so well, presumably down to careful planing by experienced people with local knowledge. Even so, one windy day at SduG in 2015 meant that routes had to be re-arranged at short notice and distances shortened, the first time this has happened during our experience of SduG.

An example of a really successful cruise in company was that organised by Alban Gorriz in the Quiberon area in 2014.  This was a three day cruise with a fleet of nine sail and oar boats plus one RIB - I have an account of the event at the link below, Roger Barnes also wrote an account of the event for Watercraft magazine.   http://www.hostellerssailingclub.org.uk/index.php/articles/sailing-festivals/127-la-ronde-des-iles-2014-a-cruise-in-company-from-quiberon

The weather for the Quiberon event was close to ideal, if anything it was actually too calm, although that is so much better than too windy.  I think the distances covered each day during that cruise were about 10 to 12 miles and even with the near ideal weather that distance was actually quite sufficient to fill the days, given that people wanted to meet in a restaurant each evening (naturellement)  and they needed time to get tents up and down, go shopping, rig and unrig boats etc.  Just as an example of the kind of thing that can cause delays, on the final day one of the boats that had been on the beach had its centreboard jammed solid with small stones that could not be easily cleared. We needed to sail to windward that day so departure was delayed while the crew of that boat tried to free the centreboard and everyone else gathered round making suggestions. In the end the RIB took the crippled boat in tow and a nice breeze came in the afternoon so everyone got back in good time.  I just give this as an example of the kind of thing that may hold up a fleet of small boats, although the weather is always the most likely reason that plans have to be amended.

Do you know Alban Gorriz, if not I could find you his contact details - he may have some thoughts on this and also I wonder if some of the people he invited to come on the Quiberon cruise might also like to join your event.

Are you assuming that all the crews will have arrangements for sleeping on board their boats?  If so this should be stated since many DCA members (probably most DCA members) do not have such arrangements. For the Quiberon cruise none of the boats other than ours and Rogers had boat tents and this meant that most people put up tents in small campsites at each stopping point. This was possible in that area but even in France it may be difficult to find campsites close to the waterside in places where boats can be left overnight - in the UK it is well nigh impossible. I would say that if you can arrange the trip such that on shore camping is possible each night that would actually be very nice - it makes for a sociable event and easier to get everyone together to discuss plans.

Josephine and myself are looking forward to joining you on this cruise with our 15 foot home made sailing dinghy and Gerald Turner from HSC is hoping to get leave to come as well - he has a Drascombe Dabber. In the HSC we are rather dependent on Mark Smith for planing this kind of event - he is good at that, but I dont know if he is interested in crewing with Gerald, if not I think Gerald might appreciate a crew.    
   


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Dear Miles
These are approximately the distances we covered last year in the Le Chasse-Maree Challenge Naviguer Léger. We found them rather ambitious, due to the habit of your local winds to die away around midday and then come in strong again in the later afternoon. Most of the flotilla also camped on the beach in light tents - but I think this had been pre-arranged. In addition to visiting the Iles de Re (La Flotte) and Oléron (Boyardville), we navigated the Charente to Rochefort and also visited Marans - which was splendid. We did not go as far south as the Seudre though, which I would be interested to visit.
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Miles Dent 2959

Thanks Roger,

I'm very happy to be guided by you and John regarding the distances attempted each day. Do you think somewhere between 15 and 20 would be better ?

Here's another possible plan:

Sat.    Launch in pm at La Cayenne (Marennes)  -   to Mornac or Port Paradis  .................................7 miles

Sun.   LA REMONTEE   Mornac or P. Paradis -  to La Tremblade (lunch)  -  to l'Eguille sur Seudre...............17 miles.

Mon.  l'Eguille  -  to  Château d'Oléron (lunch) then a walk ........................................................................16 miles.

Tues. Château d'Oléron  - to Pointe des Saumonards plage (lunch)  -  to Fouras Sud ..................................19 miles.

Wed.  Fouras Sud  -  to Boyardville plage (lunch)  -  to La Cayenne ..................................................................23 miles.

This always uses the tide to our agvantage with the possible exception of getting into Ch. d'Oléron on Monday.

It means that we wouldn't get to the Ile de Ré - which is a shame  - but also that we wouldn't have to cross the Pertuis d'Antioche which is the most exposed area.

The only problem  is that the last day is a bit more than 20 miles but I can't think of another way of doing it.

What do you think ?

Miles.








 



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Dear Miles
These are approximately the distances we covered last year in the Le Chasse-Maree Challenge Naviguer Léger. We found them rather ambitious, due to the habit of your local winds to die away around midday and then come in strong again in the later afternoon. Most of the flotilla also camped on the beach in light tents - but I think this had been pre-arranged. In addition to visiting the Iles de Re (La Flotte) and Oléron (Boyardville), we navigated the Charente to Rochefort and also visited Marans - which was splendid. We did not go as far south as the Seudre though, which I would be interested to visit.
Roger
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Re: Rally in the Charente-Maritime, France.

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Hello Miles,
I am interested in joining the proposed Charente Maritime Rally. Do you have dates and suggested program?
I am a new member with not that much experience, but I would love to take part.
I sail a Drascombe Dabber out of Ars en Re (Ile de Re). To date I have not ventured any further that St. Martin and the Baleine, but I am keen to extend my range in the area. I am familiar with Ile d'Aix, Fouras, Oleron...and the region, but have not sailed that far.
Thanks

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Miles Dent 2959

Hello Richard,

Sorry not to have replied sooner - I have just returned from a rally with a local sailing group - Les Voiles et Avirons dans les Pertuis. We sailed from La Rochelle to La Flotte and then from La Flotte to Ars. The plan was to continue across the pertuis to Charron in the Sevre Niortaise but that leg was cancelled due to strong winds so we returned from Ars to La Rochelle.

I would be really pleased if  you could join us in September - there are six DCA boats so far - including another Dabber - you would make seven. I also expect some local (french) boats to join us for at least part of the time.

Perhaps you could ring me this evening or tomorrow evening - we are away again for a few days from Thursday - Tel. 0033 (0)546 912098.

Best regards,

Miles.








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Hello Miles,
I am interested in joining the proposed Charente Maritime Rally. Do you have dates and suggested program?
I am a new member with not that much experience, but I would love to take part.
I sail a Drascombe Dabber out of Ars en Re (Ile de Re). To date I have not ventured any further that St. Martin and the Baleine, but I am keen to extend my range in the area. I am familiar with Ile d'Aix, Fouras, Oleron...and the region, but have not sailed that far.
Thanks

RichardB



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Rally in the Charente- Maritime 3 to 7 September - latest information.

Six boats signed up so far:  Roger Barnes, John Perry and Josephine Street, Gerald Turner, Mark Tingly and Slade Penoyre, Andrew Eckford, Miles Dent.   STILL HOPING FOR MORE !

Friday 2 or Sat. 3 Sept. arrive at my house in Crazannes.

Sat. 3 Sept. pm launch at La Cayenne, Marennes and sail up to Port Paradis (7nm). Barbecue at a friend's 'cabane' in the marshes.

Sun. 4 Sept. Sail down to La Tremblade for the start of La Remontée - sail up to l'Eguille with all the other boats, large and small (17nm). Dinner with all the other crews (60 or 70 people last year).

Mon. 5 Sept. Sail down the estuary and through the Coureau d'Oléron to Boyardville (23nm). Dinner in a restaurant.

Tues. 6 Sept. Boyardville to La Flotte on the Ile de Ré (20nm). Dinner in a restaurant.

Wed. 7 Sept. La Flotte back to our starting point at La Cayenne (32nm). If this is not possible we could stop half way at Fouras or Boyardville and finish the return trip on Thursday.

At each port/overnight stop I have arranged for a local person (members of La Rochelle sail and oar group) to help us with finding our moorings, camping places, toilets, etc.

On Wednesday 7 people can set off home straight away or return to my house for the night.

This is just a 'bare bones' outline - if you would like more détails please contact me - Miles Dent.

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Sounds lovely Miles. Thank you.

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On 21 Jul 2016, at 21:29, Miles Dent 2959 [via DCA Forum] <[hidden email]> wrote:

Rally in the Charente- Maritime 3 to 7 September - latest information.

Six boats signed up so far:  Roger Barnes, John Perry and Josephine Street, Gerald Turner, Mark Tingly and Slade Penoyre, Andrew Eckford, Miles Dent.   STILL HOPING FOR MORE !

Friday 2 or Sat. 3 Sept. arrive at my house in Crazannes.

Sat. 3 Sept. pm launch at La Cayenne, Marennes and sail up to Port Paradis (7nm). Barbecue at a friend's 'cabane' in the marshes.

Sun. 4 Sept. Sail down to La Tremblade for the start of La Remontée - sail up to l'Eguille with all the other boats, large and small (17nm). Dinner with all the other crews (60 or 70 people last year).

Mon. 5 Sept. Sail down the estuary and through the Coureau d'Oléron to Boyardville (23nm). Dinner in a restaurant.

Tues. 6 Sept. Boyardville to La Flotte on the Ile de Ré (20nm). Dinner in a restaurant.

Wed. 7 Sept. La Flotte back to our starting point at La Cayenne (32nm). If this is not possible we could stop half way at Fouras or Boyardville and finish the return trip on Thursday.

At each port/overnight stop I have arranged for a local person (members of La Rochelle sail and oar group) to help us with finding our moorings, camping places, toilets, etc.

On Wednesday 7 people can set off home straight away or return to my house for the night.

This is just a 'bare bones' outline - if you would like more détails please contact me - Miles Dent.

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